Sugar instead of salt and vintage goo - Oozing Goo - The Lava Lamp Syndicate2024-03-29T13:28:20Zhttps://oozinggoo.ning.com/forum/topics/sugar-instead-of-salt-and?feed=yes&xn_auth=noHi GroovyPoet:
Thanks for th…tag:oozinggoo.ning.com,2010-07-26:1566398:Comment:1518162010-07-26T14:47:53.768ZLavaMeisterhttps://oozinggoo.ning.com/profile/LavaMeister
Hi GroovyPoet:<br />
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Thanks for the input. I was kind of worried about the salt rusting the coil. That's why I used sugar as a substitute. I've been looking over the original patents on the lava lamp. I don't think it would be impossible to create one using a lava similar to what was used in the original. That would probably do away with the clouding issue as well. I'll be back with a new lamp sometime in the near future and let everyone know how it goes. I'm trying to get a lamp that flows like the…
Hi GroovyPoet:<br />
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Thanks for the input. I was kind of worried about the salt rusting the coil. That's why I used sugar as a substitute. I've been looking over the original patents on the lava lamp. I don't think it would be impossible to create one using a lava similar to what was used in the original. That would probably do away with the clouding issue as well. I'll be back with a new lamp sometime in the near future and let everyone know how it goes. I'm trying to get a lamp that flows like the vintage models. Salt and sugar just don't yield the result I'm looking for. Besides, I want it to be a bit easier to tune the lamp. It's my desire to be able to combine ingredients by measuring with graduated cylinders and get a lamp that works without much tuning on the liquid side of the equation. It's just a matter of time before we can all enjoy a homemade lamp that actually works without having to buy a Mathmos. Don't get me wrong, I love watching those lamps in action. They are the best the world has to offer at the present time. I hope they follow through with US distribution as they said they were working on that angle for us. They have had a lot of requests from here in the states for a quality product that runs on the US power grid without a converter. Send me a friend request if you like and I'll keep you posted on my results as they become available. Thanks Jester. I wonder why m…tag:oozinggoo.ning.com,2010-07-06:1566398:Comment:1494982010-07-06T19:02:15.796ZLavaMeisterhttps://oozinggoo.ning.com/profile/LavaMeister
Thanks Jester. I wonder why my chemistry buddy didn't think about that? All I know is that I was adding table sugar like I owned stock in the company and it simply wouldn't dome. I looked at the MSDS sheet on perc (tetrachloroethylene 127-18-4) last night and it seems there could be problems with that in the long term as well. It says that it decomposes with moisture to yield trichloroacetic acid and hydrochloric acid. Very high amounts of heat can actually break it down to phosgene. Very nasty…
Thanks Jester. I wonder why my chemistry buddy didn't think about that? All I know is that I was adding table sugar like I owned stock in the company and it simply wouldn't dome. I looked at the MSDS sheet on perc (tetrachloroethylene 127-18-4) last night and it seems there could be problems with that in the long term as well. It says that it decomposes with moisture to yield trichloroacetic acid and hydrochloric acid. Very high amounts of heat can actually break it down to phosgene. Very nasty stuff. It also says to avoid moisture, light and heat as these things tend to break down the perc. Seems to me that if you don't have a totally airtight seal on the cap the lava would eventually start to float as if it had no perc in it. I wonder who here has the oldest working lamp made with salt and perc? Of course, hydrochloric acid is probably worse than any amount of salt you might would add when considering the life of the spring. Sugar will not work like a sa…tag:oozinggoo.ning.com,2010-07-06:1566398:Comment:1494882010-07-06T18:53:19.793ZJester00https://oozinggoo.ning.com/profile/Jester00
Sugar will not work like a salt to change the density of the water. Salts work because, by definition, they are ionic compounds that break apart in water and increase the space between the water molecules, serving to increase the density. If, for example, you take normal table salt (NaCl) and dissolve it in water it forms sodium and chloride ions. Sugar (C6H12O6) does not work the same way. It is an organic compound and even though it is water soluble, the carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen atoms do…
Sugar will not work like a salt to change the density of the water. Salts work because, by definition, they are ionic compounds that break apart in water and increase the space between the water molecules, serving to increase the density. If, for example, you take normal table salt (NaCl) and dissolve it in water it forms sodium and chloride ions. Sugar (C6H12O6) does not work the same way. It is an organic compound and even though it is water soluble, the carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen atoms do not readily separate like an ionic compound. Not to mention, hydrogen and oxygen are components of water already so it does not effectively change the density or specific gravity like an ionic compound will. I hope this helps!<br />
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Jester Did it not! Strange.
You are…tag:oozinggoo.ning.com,2010-07-06:1566398:Comment:1494522010-07-06T09:08:44.670ZSusanhttps://oozinggoo.ning.com/profile/SusanWatson
Did it not! Strange.<br />
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You are probably right about the bubbles, they will probably work themselves out over time. Cheers.
Did it not! Strange.<br />
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You are probably right about the bubbles, they will probably work themselves out over time. Cheers. Weird. Your last post didn't…tag:oozinggoo.ning.com,2010-07-06:1566398:Comment:1494322010-07-06T01:17:55.178ZLavaMeisterhttps://oozinggoo.ning.com/profile/LavaMeister
Weird. Your last post didn't have a 'reply to this' link. Seems we have something in common with the 'must be clear' issue. I just hate a cloudy lamp. Maybe the bubble in the lava on your lamp will work itself out over time. You might just have to run it for a while longer. I had one with lots of bubbles in the wax and it did work itself out over time. It was a brand new lamp and just had to break itself in.
Weird. Your last post didn't have a 'reply to this' link. Seems we have something in common with the 'must be clear' issue. I just hate a cloudy lamp. Maybe the bubble in the lava on your lamp will work itself out over time. You might just have to run it for a while longer. I had one with lots of bubbles in the wax and it did work itself out over time. It was a brand new lamp and just had to break itself in. True, very true, I just wonde…tag:oozinggoo.ning.com,2010-07-05:1566398:Comment:1493672010-07-05T17:32:03.023ZSusanhttps://oozinggoo.ning.com/profile/SusanWatson
True, very true, I just wonder how long my creations will last lol.<br />
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I'm a stickler for lamps having to look really, really clear, like cyrstal clear, otherwise they totally do my head in.<br />
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The lamps I re-filled flow really well but, they have the odd bubble in the wax which I've not seen with a non re-filled lamp, I think I'm just too picky. You can see a pic of the lamps in my photos on this site.
True, very true, I just wonder how long my creations will last lol.<br />
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I'm a stickler for lamps having to look really, really clear, like cyrstal clear, otherwise they totally do my head in.<br />
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The lamps I re-filled flow really well but, they have the odd bubble in the wax which I've not seen with a non re-filled lamp, I think I'm just too picky. You can see a pic of the lamps in my photos on this site. That would certainly be the m…tag:oozinggoo.ning.com,2010-07-05:1566398:Comment:1493662010-07-05T17:27:12.520ZLavaMeisterhttps://oozinggoo.ning.com/profile/LavaMeister
That would certainly be the more economical choice if you consider the time it takes to get one working with salt. Although I just love it when a creation comes to life. Nothing like saying I did it myself. I've heard Mathmos is trying to get licensing to sell in the USA. Can't wait for that. Say goodbye to the ancient dinosaur called Lava World if that happens. They simply don't hold a candle to the clarity of a Mathmos lamp.
That would certainly be the more economical choice if you consider the time it takes to get one working with salt. Although I just love it when a creation comes to life. Nothing like saying I did it myself. I've heard Mathmos is trying to get licensing to sell in the USA. Can't wait for that. Say goodbye to the ancient dinosaur called Lava World if that happens. They simply don't hold a candle to the clarity of a Mathmos lamp. They seem OK still at the mom…tag:oozinggoo.ning.com,2010-07-05:1566398:Comment:1493652010-07-05T17:19:11.214ZSusanhttps://oozinggoo.ning.com/profile/SusanWatson
They seem OK still at the moment but, I've only used them a couple of times since I filled them up again.<br />
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To be honest, I've decided that I'm not re-filling any more, I'm just going to buy new bottles from Mathmos.
They seem OK still at the moment but, I've only used them a couple of times since I filled them up again.<br />
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To be honest, I've decided that I'm not re-filling any more, I'm just going to buy new bottles from Mathmos. Has the liquid become cloudy?…tag:oozinggoo.ning.com,2010-07-05:1566398:Comment:1493642010-07-05T17:10:31.754ZLavaMeisterhttps://oozinggoo.ning.com/profile/LavaMeister
Has the liquid become cloudy? I've heard pickling salt (a pure salt) is actually better for use than epsom for that reason.
Has the liquid become cloudy? I've heard pickling salt (a pure salt) is actually better for use than epsom for that reason. I only re-filled two Mathmos…tag:oozinggoo.ning.com,2010-07-05:1566398:Comment:1493622010-07-05T15:32:04.779ZSusanhttps://oozinggoo.ning.com/profile/SusanWatson
I only re-filled two Mathmos astrobaby bottles, that's all lol, with epsom salts and water.
I only re-filled two Mathmos astrobaby bottles, that's all lol, with epsom salts and water.