Bulb ban jan 1

[Phil Harris]

Well, what's the latest on this? Do we need to do a last min hoarding purchase of bulbs or are lava bulbs considered exempt for this upcoming ban?

[Brad]

40w appliance bulbs and incandescent reflector bulbs (giant/grande) are not included in the ban!

http://applications.nam.lighting.philips.com/cmolegislation/

[Jus]

Wow Brad, your link is information deluxe-thanks!

[Autumn]

And here I am with my stock of 25 100 watt reflectors bulbs sitting stupid now. Oh well, I will never run out of bulbs and I planned on keeping all of my giants and grandes anyways.

Brad said:

40w appliance bulbs and incandescent reflector bulbs (giant/grande) are not included in the ban!

http://applications.nam.lighting.philips.com/cmolegislation/

[Jus]

No way you're sitting stupid, Autumn!  Think of us poor saps paying increasingly high prices every year, while you no longer have to!

Autumn said:

And here I am with my stock of 25 100 watt reflectors bulbs sitting stupid now. Oh well, I will never run out of bulbs and I planned on keeping all of my giants and grandes anyways.

Brad said:

40w appliance bulbs and incandescent reflector bulbs (giant/grande) are not included in the ban!

http://applications.nam.lighting.philips.com/cmolegislation/

[Jim]

Nope - you are still a wise consumer Autumn.  I sold you those bulbs at 1970's bulb prices.  You acted on a killer deal with those bulbs, not so much to get ahead of the ban. 

Autumn said:

And here I am with my stock of 25 100 watt reflectors bulbs sitting stupid now. Oh well, I will never run out of bulbs and I planned on keeping all of my giants and grandes anyways.

Brad said:

40w appliance bulbs and incandescent reflector bulbs (giant/grande) are not included in the ban!

http://applications.nam.lighting.philips.com/cmolegislation/

[Phil Harris]

Breathes sigh of relief... But I think I will stock up on a bunch anyways. Thanks for the info

[Tim Gill]

Its not a bad move to stock pile bulbs - you never know they may increase the ban to all bulbs then there will be trouble

Also its saves money - the price will go up and will be harder to find, I used to go into shops and get the bulbs now its Ebay only.  

[Brad]

OK, so it's not completely clear if 100w R20 bulbs are included in the ban or not.  according to the EISA 2007, R20 bulbs less than 45w are exempt, meaning that 100w bulbs are not exempt.  however, this legislation went in to effect in 2008, but there is clearly not a shortage of 100w R20 bulbs.  can someone else help me figure this out so we are absolutely sure these bulbs aren't getting the ax?

[Brad]

ok, the legislation applies to 'general service incandescent lamps,' but the reflector bulbs are excluded from general service lamps.  THEN the legislation goes on to state that R20 bulbs rated at 45w or less are not exempt.

start reading on p. 82 if you really want to geek out on this stuff like i apparently was...

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-110hr6enr/pdf/BILLS-110hr6enr.pdf

Subtitle B—Lighting Energy Efficiency
SEC. 321. EFFICIENT LIGHT BULBS.
(a) ENERGY EFFICIENCY STANDARDS FOR GENERAL SERVICE
INCANDESCENT LAMPS.—
(1) DEFINITION OF GENERAL SERVICE INCANDESCENT LAMP.—
Section 321(30) of the Energy Policy and Conservation Act
(42 U.S.C. 6291(30)) is amended—
(A) by striking subparagraph (D) and inserting the
following:
‘‘(D) GENERAL SERVICE INCANDESCENT LAMP.—
‘‘(i) IN GENERAL.—The term ‘general service
incandescent lamp’ means a standard incandescent or
halogen type lamp that—
H. R. 6—83
‘‘(I) is intended for general service applications;
‘‘(II) has a medium screw base;
‘‘(III) has a lumen range of not less than 310
lumens and not more than 2,600 lumens; and
‘‘(IV) is capable of being operated at a voltage
range at least partially within 110 and 130 volts.
‘‘(ii) EXCLUSIONS.—The term ‘general service
incandescent lamp’ does not include the following
incandescent lamps:
‘‘(I) An appliance lamp.
‘‘(II) A black light lamp.
‘‘(III) A bug lamp.
‘‘(IV) A colored lamp.
‘‘(V) An infrared lamp.
‘‘(VI) A left-hand thread lamp.
‘‘(VII) A marine lamp.
‘‘(VIII) A marine signal service lamp.
‘‘(IX) A mine service lamp.
‘‘(X) A plant light lamp.
‘‘(XI) A reflector lamp.
‘‘(XII) A rough service lamp.
‘‘(XIII) A shatter-resistant lamp (including a
shatter-proof lamp and a shatter-protected lamp).
‘‘(XIV) A sign service lamp.
‘‘(XV) A silver bowl lamp.
‘‘(XVI) A showcase lamp.
‘‘(XVII) A 3-way incandescent lamp.
‘‘(XVIII) A traffic signal lamp.
‘‘(XIX) A vibration service lamp.

[Jeff]

Brad, I was facing the same confusion last night also. Thinking the 100 watt R20s are banned b/c of that statement that says any R20 of 45 watts or less. 

The 100s did disappear from retail stores quite some time ago, but lava still sells them and there are same on ebay. 

This also explains why I can't find the r14 60 watt....anything w/ an intermediate base over 40 watts apparently were banned.

[Jus]

Hey Phil/Brad, I jus had an idea...because all the different styles and numbers make things a little hard to decipher (for me, anyway), why not email the bulb's manufacturer and ask THEM?  Surely, they will be the best able to know for sure if they will still be making/selling the bulbs.  If it happens to be GE, I know they have pretty good customer service cuz I send so many dud bulbs back to them, and they always respond with an apology and free coupons...  

[Brad]

jeff - it IS confusing, isn't it?  it's not clear if the R20 reflector is exempt from the new standards or not.  common sense would tell me that if they were NOT exempt, the prices would be very high, and companies that depend on them, like lava lite, would be in contact with us somehow to let us know to stock up.  as i posted above, the R20 is a reflector, and reflectors are not considered to be general service incandescent lamps.  so then the question is, why is there legislation on R20 and other R-type bulbs if they are excluded?