The Icon Nightmare Title by VOXul
Ok. I posted a discussion last month asking for help in locating Kris Mock (ie K尺工ち) due to the fact that he owed me 3 Icons and was ignoring me. Many people here responded and were all VERY nice! Erin is SO sweet that she sent me one of the Icons that Kris owed me and would not even let me pay the shipping! I appreciate everyone's concern and I know that many wanted to know what happened, so I finally am writing it all out. Also, I deleted the previous thread once I finally "tricked" Kris into contacting me as I did not want it to interfere with his following through with our transaction.
Please note: The items in caps that are underlined are merely for my entertainment...they are the "chapters" in my saga...lol!
The lava is always so pretty in the beginning...
I contacted Kris in early November about the 3 Icons he had (as they were most important to me.) I arranged a large purchase him. I told him I could spend about $475 plus shipping and that I wanted the Icons, the black Galaxy, and maybe another Fantasia or 2. These were my presents from my boyfriend for my birthday on Nov 13th, Christmas, and Valentines Day 2014 ...lol. Kris said he would do 2 boxed fantasias, 1 unboxed Fantasia and all 3 icons.
Nov 6 - I sent $475 via Paypal. Kris had me send it as a "gift to a friend" so I would pay the Paypal fee and he would not have fees. Typically I would not have done that, but he had such a great history of selling here on OG. I read all the other posts of satisfied purchasers and decided he must be trustworthy.
I had decided on 2 of the Fantasias, but I had to wait for him to send images of the Fantasia Galaxy and Cuda Galaxy so I could decide which one I wanted. I asked him to please go ahead and send the Icons first because they were most important to me. I also told him that I would likely be purchasing more items from him once we completed this transaction.
Nov 9 - Kris sent the photos of the 2 Galaxies and I chose the Fantasia Galaxy for my 3rd Fiber Optic
but sometimes... the goo is so slow to ooze.
Nov. 16 - Kris said they were boxed up and going out Monday and he would send me tracking info
Nov 25 - Kris sent me 2 tracking numbers and told me shipping was $56 (I was hoping it would be all 6 items, but the shipping seemed a little low for that much stuff.)
Nov 27 - Kris sent "There might be a delay. I live downtown and the drop off is at our apartment complex. They did go out and should have been picked up."
Dec 1 - I fell and fractured my wrist :(
Dec 2 - Kris told me that the office told him they were picked up today...sorry for the delay.
Behold, a flicker of life beneath the lava!
Dec 10 - The boxes arrived. It was the 3 Fantasia lamps
-The Sunburst is beautiful, but it would not light up when it arrived. The light bulb base and lamp connection were corroded ..kinda like batteries do with age. I cleaned it all up and got it working, however, the motor started hanging up about the 2nd time I turned it on. I did not complain at all.
Dec 12 - I asked Kris to please go ahead and ship the icons because all my hippie relatives would love to see them at Christmas. I said that I could pay all the shipping together after he shipped icons.
He said, "Prefer if you could cover the past shipping just because I like to keep everything with what it went with."
Dec 15 - My boyfriend and I thought that Kris might have been having financial problems, so we sent him $125 for shipping (so $56 that he spent on the Fantasias and $69 to ship the 3 Icons.) I told him that I sent extra and hoped that he could go ahead and get the Icons shipped.
Dec 20 - I asked for an update...no response
Dec 23 - Sent him another nice message just checking on status.
Kris told me the stuff was at his Mom's house and she was on vacation til after Christmas.
Unfortunately... the light burns out.
Jan 3 - I had to have surgery to have my wrist re broken due to moron doctors who could not set a simple fracture properly
Jan 4 - Sent Kris message checking status - no response
Jan 6 and 7 - Texted and Emailed - no response
Just a quick bulb replacement...
Jan 8 - "Hi Kris,
I have been trying to reach you. PLEASE contact me. I really want to get the Icon lavas and am getting depressed about the fact that I can not get in touch with you. I LOVE the fantasias that you sent, but I really ordered from you because I wanted the Icons.
Feb 14, 18, 19, 22, 24, and 28 - More "Please Contact Me" emails
I know that the number I have for Kris is a Google Voice number, so I looked into Google Voice. It took me a WHILE to figure it all out, but I set my phone up with Google Voice and gave myself a number with the Richmond, VA area code (that is where he lives.)
but the power surges...
March 15 - I responded to Kris in regards to a Craigslist ad that I found by Googling Kris' phone number. I used my Google Voice Phone number to text, "I saw your recent Craigslist ad for the Crucial SSD's. Please contact me."
He responded, "Ok. Were you interested?"
I replied, "Well, actually, I am VERY interested in finding out when you will be shipping the Icons that I bought from you. I am glad to know that you are alive and hope we can complete our transaction now."
He did not respond.
So...40 minutes later, I followed up with, "So, I guess you do not plan on responding. Just to let you know, my next step is to report you to PayPal. I will also file a report with your local authorities and request that they prosecute for theft and fraud. I will not just forget that I foolishly trusted you."
and the globe explodes!
Then Kris started texting my phone again, "So I sent you a text a week ago that I was in the hospital. I guess you didn't get that? Here's what I will do, I will refund the money for shipping that was for the icons since the icons were free. That way you can have your money back."
I replied, "No. I didn't get any texts or Emails since January 27th."
Kris, "Well that's why I wasn't responding. I will refund your shipping money tomorrow."
Me, "I do not want my money back, I just want the icons. I told you from the beginning that I was most interested in the icons."
Kris, "It's quicker to refund the money so I'm going to do that instead. That way you have it back and were good."
Me, "No. That was not our agreement"
Kris, "That's how I'm doing it for now so you are not out any money."
Me, "I have been very nice and patient. I have been begging for you to just respond. I even offered you even more extra shipping money"
Kris, "Tomorrow. It will be refunded."
Me, "No, I will be out money as I was not willing to pay 475 for the fantasias. I collect lavas.
I am sorry to hear that you were in the hospital for so long. It has been over 6 weeks since I heard from you. I have not been asking for a refund, I have been asking for you to complete our transaction. I have been very nice and patient. I have been begging you to respond. Just yesterday I asked you again to please respond.
The Icons were not free. They were part of our agreement. I told you that I was willing to pay 475 for the Icons, the Sunburst, the Centurion, and one other fantasia. A refund of the shipping I sent for the icons is not satisfactory. I paid for the 3 icons with globes and 3 fantasias.
The sunburst has a burned out motor and I cannot use it until I replace the motor, but I have been nice about it. However a shipping refund is not adequate. My primary interest from the beginning was the icons. You only sent half of my order. If you are not willing to send the icons, then I would need a $300 refund.
Again, I have been very patient but since you would not respond to me, I began researching. I saw you posting your computer on Craigslist over a week ago, then on PandaHi 8 days ago, and then the Crucial drive on Craigslist 4 days ago. Since you still did not respond to me, I had to consider my options. If you are not willing to complete our original agreement or refund $300, then I will have to pursue the other options."
Now that's when the GOO really hits the fan!
He did not respond. So, I sent this email...
"Dear Kristopher Eric Mock,
"Apologize for your creepy, underhanded email and I will be happy to send your stuff. Anything else will result in a refund of what I told you, not what you "feel". Don't test me. "
I desperately wanted to tell him that HE should be the one apologizing for lying, ignoring me, wasting my time, stressing me out, and obviously... trying to rip me off! However I really wanted to get my lamps and be done... so I sent,
"I am sorry that I resorted to researching you and that I sent you an email informing you of the information that I found on the internet. However, I did BEG you to respond to me for 6 weeks and I was patient and nice for 4 months.
Kris responded, "They will be sent out by weeks end. Tracking will be provided at that time. Thank you"
March 20 - Kris sent a tracking number.
March 26 - The Icons arrived. Everything was as agreed on except I did not get the Mushroom Cap. In it's place, I received the original ceramic cap for a Peace Icon that had been broken and glued back together. It is VERY noticeably broken. I sent Kris an email requesting he send the Mushroom cap that he promised.
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Wow! A very disturbing tale Kim and sorry for the grief you had to endure. I promise this will not be the case with our deal for Garfield.
One bit of advice - the red and blue text against the dark background = owie owie on the eyes.
Thanks Jim. I was just trying to make it easier to follow. I will fix the colors...
Jim said:
Wow! A very disturbing tale Kim and sorry for the grief you had to endure. I promise this will not be the case with our deal for Garfield.
One bit of advice - the red and blue text against the dark background = owie owie on the eyes.
Wow that was quite a long and detailed story of your unfortunate dealings with Kris!
I can verify that Kris did in fact sell his Mushroom cap to me several years ago.
I had some successful high dollar deals with Kris a few years ago but the last one went oddly.
A couple months ago I made a deal with him for a boxed Fantasia Galaxy, boxed Firefly, and a gold colored Sunburst.
After sending the agreed upon payment he mentions to me that the gold Sunburst did not have a spray and if that was alright? ( It was advertised as having a spray - and still is - lol )
Well since the spray is a major part of any fiber optic lamp I tried to modify the deal with him to include something else in it's place.
He must have gotten upset by this because he simply refunded all my money and that was the last I heard from him?
WOW! What a fiasco Kim!
Happy to read that everything, for the most part, has been settled. Shame about the cap issues and such but good to hear everything is in your hands. Tales of being in the hospital for sympathy are ridiculous! Once you called out looking for him I checked out his page, then found his Facebook and saw he runs that Johnny Chimpo logo as his avatars...troublemaker!
To Kim and her icons!
I'm so sorry you had to go through all this. No one should have to. That was a LOT of money. A LOT. I have had dealings with Kris in the past and had no issues, so I was surprised, as we all were, that this was happening. I did message him around the time you messaged me, to ask him to get in touch with you, and of course, no response.
I'm so glad you're keeping the Icon I sent you. :) Thanks for the dedication. :) Most people here are truly wonderful and lovely and I really believe in lava karma, so I'm glad I could help in some small way. The lava gods have always been kind to me thus far.
I'm glad you posted this, too. No one should have to deal with this shit - I'm glad it's behind you now!
LOVE THE VIDEO CLIP!!!
VOXul said:
WOW! What a fiasco Kim!
Happy to read that everything, for the most part, has been settled. Shame about the cap issues and such but good to hear everything is in your hands. Tales of being in the hospital for sympathy are ridiculous! Once you called out looking for him I checked out his page, then found his Facebook and saw he runs that Johnny Chimpo logo as his avatars...troublemaker!
To Kim and her icons!
Well, it is nice to know that you have the cap. I am bummed that I did not get it....lol. When we made our deal, I asked if he had the cap for the splotch. He said no, but that he did have the mushroom and it looks very good with it. So, I agreed to the Mushroom specifically. Anyway, you should be very glad that he refunded you...otherwise you might still be chasing him for your lamps.
MileHigh said:
Wow that was quite a long and detailed story of your unfortunate dealings with Kris!
I can verify that Kris did in fact sell his Mushroom cap to me several years ago.
I had some successful high dollar deals with Kris a few years ago but the last one went oddly.
A couple months ago I made a deal with him for a boxed Fantasia Galaxy, boxed Firefly, and a gold colored Sunburst.
After sending the agreed upon payment he mentions to me that the gold Sunburst did not have a spray and if that was alright? ( although it was advertised as having a spray - and still is - lol )
Well since the spray is a major part of any fiber optic lamp I tried to modify the deal with him to include something else in it's place.
He must have gotten upset by this because he simply refunded all my money and that was the last I heard from him?
Damn! Reading all of that prompted me to ingest a legally prescribed mild tranquilizer. Sheesh...
On a positive note - I can attest to the way Jim handles things. Top notch.
I wouldn't trust anyone with an avatar of a monkey jerking off a banana.
Thanks so much Erin! Also...yes...A LOT of money!
Erin said:
I'm so sorry you had to go through all this. No one should have to. That was a LOT of money. A LOT. I have had dealings with Kris in the past and had no issues, so I was surprised, as we all were, that this was happening. I did message him around the time you messaged me, to ask him to get in touch with you, and of course, no response.
I'm so glad you're keeping the Icon I sent you. :) Thanks for the dedication. :) Most people here are truly wonderful and lovely and I really believe in lava karma, so I'm glad I could help in some small way. The lava gods have always been kind to me thus far.
I'm glad you posted this, too. No one should have to deal with this shit - I'm glad it's behind you now!
You know what else? I bought the boxed Fantasia Galaxy. So, he sold you the Mushroom cap...then sold it to me after you already had it. Then...he sold me the boxed Fantasia Galaxy and turned around and sold it to you after I already had it. Sounds like you are fortunate to have received a total refund and I am fortunate to have received my lamps.
MileHigh said:
Wow that was quite a long and detailed story of your unfortunate dealings with Kris!
I can verify that Kris did in fact sell his Mushroom cap to me several years ago.
I had some successful high dollar deals with Kris a few years ago but the last one went oddly.
A couple months ago I made a deal with him for a boxed Fantasia Galaxy, boxed Firefly, and a gold colored Sunburst.
After sending the agreed upon payment he mentions to me that the gold Sunburst did not have a spray and if that was alright? ( It was advertised as having a spray - and still is - lol )
Well since the spray is a major part of any fiber optic lamp I tried to modify the deal with him to include something else in it's place.
He must have gotten upset by this because he simply refunded all my money and that was the last I heard from him?
Many thanks for the kind words Snicks! I certainly am not the speediest guy in the world to get lamps shipped out, but it takes significant time to pack lamps properly for shipping and I refuse to skimp on that. I would rather have people wait a little while to receive lamps in the same quality they left me in rather than come home to a puddle on their front step. Been victimized several times on shoddy packing and won't be a party to doing that to others.
Snicks said:
Damn! Reading all of that prompted me to ingest a legally prescribed mild tranquilizer. Sheesh...
On a positive note - I can attest to the way Jim handles things. Top notch.
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